Release the inner 12 year old as Joel speaks to his friend and fellow Colorado native, Mark S Babbitt. Mark discusses escaping from his career in Silicon Valley, white river rafting and taking a look at the human side of business.

The guys also discuss Mark’s love of baseball, the most fun thing about his job, why outliving his grandchildren is on his bucket list and a challenge is set for the pair to face their biggest fear…standing on stage and being funny.

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